girls vs boys: Who makes the better combat hero?

[Kitty]

Tomb Raider's Lara Croft versus Raiders of the Lost Ark's character Indianna Jones are the gender equivalent of the modern combat heros who are repeatedly scripted to save the world.
Past film profit margins indicate a lean toward the male action hero with filthy good looks and a taut body to lead in the popularity stakes. He is always percived as a smart, strong protector who always gets 'the woman' in his arms.

Although nowadays, it seems the leading man has a strong contender when a nice pair of hooters are added to the combat character, not as his nemises but as the leading lady in her own movie e.g Lara Croft. She is also attractive, smart and able to defend herself all the while remaining cross legged.

How do such creatures of talent and beauty manage to save the world and remain celibrant? Because girls are able to stay focused by not enabling their anatomy to deviate them from their mission. However, armed with our god-given lustrous bosom, sadly, girls' combat skills go relatively unnoticed.

To me, it seems the silver-screen does reflect this element of
truth in our society.

girl's combat skills go relatively unnoticed girls are able to stay focused combat skills:(

[AJ]

Originally posted by Kitty
Tomb Raider's Lara Croft versus Raiders of the Lost Ark's character Indianna Jones are the gender equivalent of the modern combat heros who are repeatedly scripted to save the world.
Past film profit margins indicate a lean toward the male action hero with filthy good looks and a taut body to lead in the popularity stakes. He is always percived as a smart, strong protector who always gets 'the woman' in his arms.

Although nowadays, it seems the leading man has a strong contender when a nice pair of hooters are added to the combat character, not as his nemises but as the leading lady in her own movie e.g Lara Croft. She is also attractive, smart and able to defend herself all the while remaining cross legged.

How do such creatures of talent and beauty manage to save the world and remain celibrant? Because girls are able to stay focused by not enabling their anatomy to deviate them from their mission. However, armed with our god-given lustrous bosom, sadly, girls' combat skills go relatively unnoticed.

To me, it seems the silver-screen does reflect this element of truth in our society.

girl's combat skills go relatively unnoticed girls are able to stay focused combat skills:(

I am not sexist but i do think that most (emphasis on most but not all) girls prefer not to get involved with violence and are portrayed in movies as softies and so on however i think that this is changing more nowadays.

Combat skills eh? Girls are more than capable in my oppinion.

[Lateo]

hell i'll take lara any day

[Yuri]

Being as completely uninformed about the female of the speicies as I am, i'm confused as to who actually wrote that.

It seems to be written by a female a first, but no female I know (not many at all) describes themselves in that fashion.

So who wrote that little slice?

[plan]

My only comment is so far no mainly female team has won a clan war to my knowledge, maybe someone from the other fields can comment on this. In fact any clan led by a female to date has had a miserable performance in clan wars and yes there has been more
than 1. While there are not doubt exceptional women soldiers, generally males train harder, are stronger and better suited to combat.

[Dangerous]

Two of the clans in our recent finals had one female each.

The clan that won the final has a female member.

This clan kicks butt!

PS I am not a member of this clan.

[Rommel]

I'm not sure who or what kitty is. The IP doesn't match any others. But if you are a female Kitty, please join my clan 'Ghost Recon'.

I think more females should play laser skirmish, but for this to happen there is one question that we have to ask ourselves. Why would females play laser skirmish or other similar sports?

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Yuri
Being as completely uninformed about the female of the speicies as I am, i'm confused as to who actually wrote that.

It seems to be written by a female a first, but no female I know (not many at all) describes themselves in that fashion.

So who wrote that little slice?




YURI, I assure you, I am all, 100% woman and very happy to be.

Oh, and the reason I chose to word the article the way I did was to relate to my audience- who are prodominately male (If you understood the context than i acheived my objective).

;)

[Lateo]

go kitty u good thing!!!

[Kitty]

Originally posted by plan
My only comment is so far no mainly female team has won a clan war to my knowledge, maybe someone from the other fields can comment on this. In fact any clan led by a female to date has had a miserable performance in clan wars and yes there has been more than 1. While there are not doubt exceptional women soldiers, generally males train harder, are stronger and better suited to combat.



WHY is that so? How much training did these women have? And, how much encouragement did they receive afterwards? The stats speak for themselves, and apart from Trinity, your wife & her sister, the new female refs you (thankfully) recruited, I don't know of any more female laserskirmish players Plan.

We all know that in general, for the sake of this arguement, (most) men are physically superior and (most) women are able to take on more mental capabilities such as multi-tasking.

Although, men think of sex much more than women and (most) men are easily distracted by women and are therefore vulnerable to manipulation.

An ex-soldier once told me how they use women to distract men from their missions. Without seeing any stats I tend to believe that this IS effective otherwise it would not be used today, would it?

I don't think that either men or women are able to be the purrrfect combat soldier - all of the time. I do however, believe that a mixed gender team is ideal!

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Rommel
I'm not sure who or what kitty is. The IP doesn't match any others. But if you are a female Kitty, please join my clan 'Ghost Recon'.

I think more females should play laser skirmish, but for this to happen there is one question that we have to ask ourselves. Why would females play laser skirmish or other similar sports?




I think the reasons why women play laserskirmish and other similar sports, Rommel, are very similar to mens' reasons such as:
FUN, FITNESS, COMPETIVENESS, SKILL, MEET PPL, B'COS THEIR FRIENDS OR BOYFRIEND DOES, ADRENALIN, TRY SOMETHING NEW,
ITS DIFFERENT (not mainstream), ADVENTURE, TEAM WORK & EXCITMENT.

Thanks for the offer to join your clan Rommel, I heard that you won't even be here for the next league.

But, before I give you an answer pls tell me why YOU, personally, want more female laserskirmish players?

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Dangerous
Two of the clans in our recent finals had one female each.

The clan that won the final has a female member.

This clan kicks butt!

PS I am not a member of this clan.





Thanks Dangerous for contributing;)

In regards to the clan you mentioned that won the finals:
What was the teams' morale like BEFORE they won?

What experience does she have?

Or did they train her themselves?

Interested... :)

[Dangerous]

Hehe. They are a family team, ie brothers, sister and father.

Their morale has always been high, and still is.

As an example of morale, they turned up for the finals wearing green reindeer antlers :)

The female in question also played three games (almost a full three hours) with a knee blown up like a tennis ball due to a earlier incident with a tree.

It didn't seem to slow her down at all.

She has the same level of experience as three of her clan: about four months worth of playing at least once per week.

[plan]

Hey who was the clan leader Male or Female?

[Dangerous]

who was the clan leader Male or Female?

I fail to see the relevance. The leader is male.


My only comment is so far no mainly female team has won a clan war to my knowledge

I can't comment on this. We have a number of clans with a female member, but no clan with more than one female member.

[Owl]

Once encountered a female MP with bigger muscles and a meaner haircut then Demi Moore in GI Jane on an excercise up north and she scared the hell outta me. :eek:

History has proven that women are as adept in warfare as the men folk, although I think an attractive womans natural attributes makes her more suitable for covert ops and espionage where, as Kitty has stated, she can take advantage of a males inability to think straight in her presence, rather than to occupy the ranks of the grunts on the frontline. As far as physical and pyschological differences are concerned, women in general may have to concede to a strength deficiency but that's about it. In my very limited experience, although
I find it hard to imagine a woman posessing the physical strength to haul a 10.43Kg M60 machine gun through the bad bush all day, with a lighter load she is equally as capable as any man.

The Israeli experience where women have served in frontline combat is worth considering. There have been numerous reported examples of male Israeli soldiers carrying out incredible acts of selfless bravery in order to keep their female countreparts out of harms way and just as many unspeakable acts of savagery committed in retribution for the deaths of women soldiers. Just goes to show that even after a couple of thousand years of evolution, men still retain that innate instinct to covet and protect women.

[Rommel]

Originally posted by Kitty
I think the reasons why women play laserskirmish and other similar sports, Rommel, are very similar to mens' reasons such as:
FUN, FITNESS, COMPETIVENESS, SKILL, MEET PPL, B'COS THEIR FRIENDS OR BOYFRIEND DOES, ADRENALIN, TRY SOMETHING NEW,
ITS DIFFERENT (not mainstream), ADVENTURE, TEAM WORK & EXCITMENT.

Thanks for the offer to join your clan Rommel, I heard that you won't even be here for the next league.

But, before I give you an answer pls tell me why YOU, personally, want more female laserskirmish players?

The reason why I want more female LS players is because it makes the sport more interesting. Females have different playing styles. And they don't complain as much. But I am still curious why females would want to play a sport where they could easily hurt themselves?

Also who are you?
How long have you been playing for?
And, have you ever been there when I was there?

BTW, you have a similar posting style to Dangerous.

[Dangerous]

Hrmmm and you saying I'm a woman, or is it that she's a bloke?

Maybe she's in IT like me and has to spend a lot of her day writing customer focused technical documentation :(

Maybe she is ex military like me and has learnt to write signals in the same fashion as me.

Maybe she is just super intelligent, don't like to take crap and loves the idea of running around the bush with a gun, but not actually killing people?

Maybe there is no spoon... ermm I meant Kitty.

[Rommel]

I know who it is now, thanks to lateo.

[Snowman]

Kitty,
I believe that the majority of male combatants take the game a
little too seriously and make it their objective to be victorious,
whereas females tend to just go out a play for the fun of it. In a
number of game where there has been groups of girls they tend
to huddle together and 1) are effective in taking out individuals
2)get slaughtered themselves, however I have seen some pretty
talented females play.
Inconclusion, I think sex is irrelevant, it is down to the individual.

[Rommel]

That sounds like the Boondocks, Quirk. I remember one night a long time ago when the boondocks were screaming like girls, hahaha.

[Snowman]

Well now that you mention it Rommel, they do have high-pitched voices...:D

[Lateo]

i remember a time not so long ago when some one else was screaming like a gurl

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Dangerous
I fail to see the relevance. The leader is male.



I can't comment on this. We have a number of clans with a female member, but no clan with more than one female member.

I agree Dangerous.


PLAN, because there are currently no known clans consisting of 'mainly females', I guess we are unable to judge accurately whether or not a female clan leader and/or what a perdominately female clan are really capable of acheiving. I'm interested in why you seem to be counting the eggs before they hatch?

Also, i'd like to know what you, personally, are doing to encourage women to play laserskirmish and, in joining a clan.

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Owl
Once encountered a female MP with bigger muscles and a
meaner haircut then Demi Moore in GI Jane on an excercise up north and she scared the hell outta me. :eek:

History has proven that women are as adept in warfare as the men folk, although I think an attractive womans natural attributes makes her more suitable for covert ops and espionage where, as Kitty has stated, she can take advantage of a males inability to think straight in her presence, rather than to occupy the ranks of the grunts on the frontline. As far as physical and pyschological differences are concerned, women in general may have to concede to a strength deficiency but that's about it. In my very limited experience, although I find it hard to imagine a woman posessing the physical strength to haul a 10.43Kg M60 machine gun through the bad bush all day, with a lighter load she is equally as capable as any man.

The Israeli experience where women have served in frontline combat is worth considering. There have been numerous reported examples of male Israeli soldiers carrying out incredible acts of selfless bravery in order to keep their female countreparts out of harms way and just as many unspeakable acts of savagery committed in retribution for the deaths of women soldiers. Just goes to show that even after a couple of thousand years of evolution, men still retain that innate instinct to covet and protect women.

BRAVO- finally someone really gets it:D

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Quirk
Kitty,
I believe that the majority of male combatants take the game a
little too seriously and make it their objective to be victorious,
whereas females tend to just go out a play for the fun of it. In a
number of game where there has been groups of girls they tend
to huddle together and 1) are effective in taking out individuals
2)get slaughtered themselves, however I have seen some pretty
talented females play.
Inconclusion, I think sex is irrelevant, it is down to the individual.


So Quirk, just for interest, would you enlist at least two semi-experienced females in your clan to play in tournaments?

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Dangerous
Hrmmm and you saying I'm a woman, or is it that she's a bloke?

Maybe she's in IT like me and has to spend a lot of her day writing customer focused technical documentation :(

Maybe she is ex military like me and has learnt to write signals in the same fashion as me.

Maybe she is just super intelligent, don't like to take crap and loves the idea of running around the bush with a gun, but not actually killing people?

Maybe there is no spoon... ermm I meant Kitty.



I'm the latter, except for the "super intelligent" part:p

[Dangerous]

Location: in your dreams

In my dreams?

:eek: :confused:

[Rommel]

Originally posted by Lateo
i remember a time not so long ago when some one else was screaming like a gurl

I forgot about that and so did everybody else. Well I hope they forgot. :(

[Rommel]

Originally posted by Kitty
So Quirk, just for interest, would you enlist at least two semi-experienced females in your clan to play in tournaments?

So Kitty and Goldfish want to join your clan. That would be a big decision.

[Snowman]

Originally posted by Kitty
So Quirk, just for interest, would you enlist at least two semi-experienced females in your clan to play in tournaments?

I suppose it would depend on their skills rather than experience.

[Rommel]

I'm sure that it would be comical, since one of those interested people has bright blue hair and is trying to look like Badger.

[leggz]

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Hello everyone i'm Leggz (yes, female).

This is directed to OWL regarding:

I find it hard to imagine a woman possessing the physical strength to
haul a 10.43kg M-60 machine gun through the bad bush all day, with a lighter load she is equally capable as any man.

In what capacity have you experienced that women cannot haul machinery as stated above?

I have a sister who served in Timor; she is qualified to operate the abovementioned artillery and did so without complaint. There were no males qualified where she was.
She is 5ft 1" and weighed 57kg!

I don't want to get into a political argument about this, I just want it to be known that women ARE capable with or WITHOUT the lighter load.

[Kitty]

Originally posted by leggz
[

Hello everyone i'm Leggz (yes, female).

This is directed to OWL regarding:


In what capacity have you experienced that women cannot haul machinery as stated above?

I have a sister who served in Timor; she is qualified to operate the abovementioned artillery and did so without complaint. There were no males qualified where she was.
She is 5ft 1" and weighed 57kg!

I don't want to get into a political argument about this, I just want it to be known that women ARE capable with or WITHOUT the lighter load.

You go leggz!
Are either you or your sister interested in joining a laserskirmish clan?

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Quirk
I suppose it would depend on their skills rather than experience.

But doesn't experience purr-fect one's skills;) ?

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Dangerous
In my dreams?

:eek: :confused:

YAH YAH:p Who's been a voyer?

[Lateo]

this will always be a hot subject

i know thyat on various selection course in the UK (para, commando, spec ops) women have been allwoed to try out at the same pass level as men, (theory being if they want tod o the same job then they need to pass at the same level) while many of these women have started strong on the course but about week 8 or so on most course all females have failed.

but in reflection buy week 8 many male have also failed!

As for the Isearlia thing, i know that this put the UK off putting female troops on the front line, as many male soldier were doing more to protect there female commardes, the last thing you need on an section attact is 2 guys not moving forward with momentum to go help a female, often if a male collgue falls they can keep going?

all po9int of view

personally, if can carry the weight and do the job i dont care if ur male female of vegtable, but there are horse for courses

[Owl]

Hello Leggz,

Welcome aboard.

You did take me slightly out of context though, I also stated "In my very limited experience,". During my time in the military I never once saw a female operating an M60 in an infantry role. Had I, my opinion would likely be different.

If that is, in fact, what your sister did in ET then I stand corrected. No offence was intended.

Full credit to anyone who gets lumbered with with one of those old blunderbusses. I'm surprised there are still any in circulation.

I'm with Lateo, this will always be a hot subject, our opinions are drawn from our experiences and in the end, if you're good at the job who cares what gender you are. As long as you're not a vegetable, can't stand brussels sprouts.

[Snowman]

Originally posted by Kitty
But doesn't experience purr-fect one's skills;) ?

nope, you could have all the experience in the world and still suck.:D

[Rommel]

Originally posted by leggz
[

Hello everyone i'm Leggz (yes, female).

This is directed to OWL regarding:


In what capacity have you
experienced that women cannot haul machinery as stated above?

I have a sister who served in Timor; she is qualified to operate the abovementioned artillery and did so without complaint. There were no males qualified where she was.
She is 5ft 1" and weighed 57kg!

I don't want to get into a political argument about this, I just want it to be known that women ARE capable with or WITHOUT the lighter load.

A machine gun classed as artillery? Now theres a new concept.

[Pooh Bear]

Originally posted by Rommel
A machine gun classed as artillery? Now theres a new concept.

Yeah full auto 155mm rounds, sorry Lateo 105mm is a bit small for us Mech inf. guys :D

As far as the M60 GPMG in Timor is concerned. What did you sister do in Timor? Considering that this was a front line weapon. I am curious because that weapon was phased out of the Regular Army about 6 years ago. I personally have only ever seen it used by Combat Engineers and there are no
women in those units.

This is a hot topic and I'm sure that it will never get resolved to every bodies satisfaction. ( in the Army )

But this is a laser tag forum. The last time I checked the heaviest weapon would be a Morita. Just about any, man , woman , or even those in between could carry one of those. None of us wear packs, or even webbing ( except some of the HAW and you others who just cant let go of the AJ feel) so really, in this arena who cares if you're a bloke or a chick. If you can play this game and be good at it, then good for you.

[Rommel]

What percentage of total army personnel are females?

[Lateo]

the best way and i feel the only way this subject will ever be settled will be on the field, lets get these all girl teams up and running and then we will see who is the best.

muscles and strength are not everything running round with a SAW is great doesnt make u a hero though.

Its all about teamwork and while women do well togther i feel its the large amounts of time anybody spends togther that bonds them?

[Rommel]

It would be interesting to see an all female team play, but how are they going to get a decent size team together when there is obviously a lack of regular female players.

[Smaug]

And now for something completely different...

I'm sure women can do anything they put their minds and enough effort into!

With regards to the talk of team work, there is no doubt that an all girl team will instinctively work better together than a male team. Less testosterone :P

My background is indoor Laser Skirmish (Zone 3 to be exact). There used to be a team in play called the "Femme Fatales", obviously an all girl team. They had no problems systematically destroying everything in their paths.... Their team work was of a MUCH higher level than the guy teams they played, and the guy teams WERE really good players, both as a team and individually. The girls just plain outclassd them in team work.

Mind you, put me in a maze alone with 4-5 girls and watch me wreak havoc :) hehehehe

[Fenriz]

One thing that I have noticed in the sessions that i run Last Man Standing games, its always a girl that wins. It's not the fear of getting shot at they are just sneakier. they don't yell out they creep through the brush wait til they got the shot and bang they win. Whilst most of the boys just run and blind fire. I can see that girls are better at sniping, than assaults. PROVE ME WRONG GIRLS

[Rommel]

Nel at the Brisbane battlefield used to be the best at hiding and sniping. Perhaps they are more patient.

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Rommel
It would be interesting to see an all female team play, but how are they going to get a decent size team together when there is obviously a lack of regular female players.

Yes, I have been working on that ;)

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Fenriz
One thing that I have noticed in the sessions that i run Last Man Standing games, its always a girl that wins. It's not the fear of getting shot at they are just sneakier. they don't yell out they creep through the brush wait til they got the shot and bang they win. Whilst most of the boys just run and blind fire. I can see that girls are better at sniping, than assaults. PROVE ME WRONG GIRLS

Prove you wrong? HOW? Are you willing to come up to Mt Cotton in a couple of months to observe the HeadHunters play?
Better still... why don't you lead by example and prove to us girls that 'you' are better at assaults LOL

[Fenriz]

Fenriz is a quiet achiever, Fenriz lets Numbnuts do all the bragging :)

[Rommel]

Somebody is scared! :D

[Fenriz]

Not scared, just musing quietly ;)

[Kitty]

well Fenriz, maybe we can come to you... I much prefer the SA weather anyway;)

[Fenriz]

We'll see :D
hehehehehe
I'm hoping that we can get an all girl clan happening here, then they can prove me wrong :p
I'll get SPUD (our assault expert) to have a few words with em.

[leggz]

Hi every one
Well first up my sister is a sig in the army and also a linguist which can and will put women in the front line. I may of had the particular wepond wrong in my response. Sorry but it was a bloody big one . Im not army so I dont know all the proper words so I am sorry if I offended any one Im just a simple cook.My general motto is women can do any thing! the only thing we ca not do is pee standing up. well we can but its kind of messy. And yes I am new to LS but for a general girl who usally plays netball and touch football LS is a welcomed new experience

[Tunde]

What do you have to say about this issue Leo and Battlemania? And what happened to Leggz and Kitty?

[Leo]

I definately agree that girls are more patient. Even on the Xbox I'm sneaking around and biding my time, then Lateo jumps up and starts shooting everything he sees... which isn't altogether a bad tactic... just not my style. ;)

Girls are naturally more cautious.

[Tunde]

I'm am not really about sniping personally, but I also don't try to be rambo. Fukkenuziman and I are probably best at assault, we tend to move cautiously, but are able to move really fast when the time comes and press the attack.

[unit_00]

Prove you wrong? HOW? Are you willing to come up to Mt Cotton in a couple of months to observe the HeadHunters play?
Better still... why don't you lead by example and prove to us girls that 'you' are better at assaults LOL


head hunters isnt that ricardos clan

[Rommel]

Kitty used to work for the Brisbane Laser Skirmish field (BFS), and Leggz didn't play very often. I don't think that they play anymore.

[Thorin]

You haven't see an assault till you've been on the reciving end of a SOCOM charge.

Females do take their time alot more than us guys, but there are always exceptions. I'm pretty sure there are some girls out there that could out assault most of us guys. Not many, but there might be some.

[fukkenuziman]

Yah, the females that throw tactics out the window and just chase you like a gorilla in the mist. Sometimes a cracky approach to an assault can be very effective, the opposition gets distracted by the sheer retardedness.

For the most part girls are very effective since they don't normally provoke a fire fight, they hold off until you have maneuvered near them and then open fire on you. They don't mind chillin in a concealed position for lengths of time.

[Tunde]

AKA your mom. Her nickname should be ghost recon.

[fukkenuziman]

Exactly... and that was only her second time ever playing. She was a ninja!

She would be more like Splinter Cell though, because she really works best on her own.

[Leo]

lol That's awesome. Heaps of the mums at the Brisbane field want to give it a go which I think is great.

[Tunde]

Fukkenuzimans mom is probably the best person at stealth that i have ever seen play. Incredible.

[Rommel]

Do mums become protective of their children on the field?